Please either stop orshape up. The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. > But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the events> at Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. It was in the trailer or a TV spot. andpleading with her to take off her mask? And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). I don't think there were any other dreams, although the redpool table scene always seemed the most dreamlike to me. Orgy? <<<<<<<<. No comments. Same voice. On Feb 26, 3:27 pm, "Avoid normal situations. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.'<<<<<<<. >> When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"> but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him at> the orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. What a mish mash of mentalmasturbation that is..", " Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. <<<<<<<<<<<<<. ME> Again. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? Put on some headphones and listen. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? -Herodotus, You do not have permission to delete messages in this group, Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message, I thought the woman who ODd at the dance party (Mandy), the woman who, Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - I don't care to look up her name, Here is a youtube video of "Mandy" (Julienne Davis), singing in her band, I sent a message to the YouTube person who hosted those "Mandy" videos if. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. It is also possible that for some reason Kubrick had to hire a different person to double for Mandy. Let him go! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< way. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. Tragically it was the director's final film with Kubrick dying less than a week after screening an incomplete cut for the studio and its stars. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. ANSWER. Eyes Wide Shut is a 1999 erotic mystery psychological drama film directed, produced and co-written by Stanley Kubrick. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film's> critics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,> desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidy> denouement? at the> ceremony/orgy. > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. And if it's *not* supposed to be obvious, thatmeans that Polanski screwed up. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. And the Somerton ritual is alsoambiguous; how, or rather why, for instance, does the masked womanupon first meeting the masked Bill, assert with such certainty that"You shouldn't be here", then followed by repeated warnings that hiscontinued presence at the ritual will get him in trouble? He wasn't positive. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." For instance,it's fairly obvious from the start who the Mysterious Woman is. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is), So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<. '<<<<<<<<<<< I think it is clear he was > referring to the Somerton party. And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. Some will sink but we will float.Grab your coat. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. > Take another listen. You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. That is a possible explanation. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. EWS was potential. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. But which'party' is Bill referring to? What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. But he still wasn't sure after reading the news story, or even aftervisiting the morgue, as his disbelief at Ziegler's explanationindicated. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. Regardless of the different actresses in the credits, what I see is that the woman at the ceremony, who redeems him, apparently the "mysterious woman," has a small freckle/mole on her chest about 2 inches to her left side of center, above her breasts, which I think, can also be seen slightly on the corpse. at the ceremony/orgy. 0. -----Richard Schultz sch@mail.biu.ac.ilDepartment of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, IsraelOpinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University-----"It would have been like discussing sundials with a bat. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. Technology has caught up with his disguises andcovers. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be confused. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Plus there is *no* *way* that a rare bookdealer would smoke anywhere near a book of which there are only threecopies in existence. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Is that how youwould describe it? > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? > He didn't recognise her voice. Orgy? > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. > Mandy was not the same woman. You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, -- Dennis/Endyhttp://home.comcast.net/~endymion91/~I was born to rock the boat. It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. >In a big crowd of masked> people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is). It's profoundly, structurally, indeterminate >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling),<<<. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. andpleading with her to take off her mask? >>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because, 1. Barcaluv. In a case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his mind, but he was kinda busy. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. >Even in the morgue he still might not have> been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the> body. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. (4) With many people using Google maps-gps/satellite views scouring the earth, his Fortress of Solitude could be exposed. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" Orgy? It is only when Ziegler responds> positively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman in> the morgue?" Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. >>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<. He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, till Zeigler tells him. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. Same voice. How? This is simple. > So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) this> would 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." and> pleading with her to take off her mask? If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Mandy was not the same woman. When we see the news article about dead Mandy, it says "Beauty Queen"but how did Bill know that was the same woman who ODd or helped him atthe orgy, since he never knew the real name of either? Statanic mass? Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. And of course how did the mask get on his pillow? I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. >Apparently word of Bill's> entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. Its common sense he was referring to Somerton as the party. Changes within the building seem to lack that phone booth sense of urgency and drama. > anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible > mumbling),<<<, > No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare > kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shut mask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. ". : I like the Ninth Gate alot and have watched it numerous times but it's quite. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. I mean hewas filmed only in england, but the photography behind him in thatglove clapping shot is projected or whatever and so that means that hedidn't care that mucha bout switching things around like actresses andstuff, it's about masks anyway the movie is. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? [Some irrelevant pseudo-Buddhist gibberish snipped]. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. I'm your Mutineer~ - Warren Zevon- -. I think this feeling of > guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. "you are going to need some rehab," she says, "I know." > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. Congratulations. How doesshe know this? The most obvious answer is Alice found the mask and left it out as a way to let Bill know she knew something was going on. >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. Again. >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? > that unless they are encoded in single frames for analysis will alwasy be > a mystery. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. I found them both disappointing. He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. Was she the women at the party?" He did not know who she was: she was wearing> a mask. Crumb Eye. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. Statanic mass? Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. 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