I guess I need to create an account. R61 They probably thought it was just some creep following them and didn't need the police. They also released an audio recording of a man believed to be the suspect instructing the girls to go down the hill.. Little by little, he broached the subject with relatives who had previously remained silent about the death. People have tweeted at her about it and she's only liking comments. Im thinking not. I think this is our guy. This presumed lack of DNA is one reason why people believe the girls weren't sexually assaulted. I don't get it. The teens took a walk down some historic, wooded trails on the east side of town, and ended up stepping onto the old Monon High railroad bridge. Articulate in the use of terms of art through practice. He says the items were unusual. Hello and thank you for registering. R314-- Yes, that was disgusting but not one bit surprising. Their intuition , I believe. One of the things I found strange was the then DA saying the crime scene was "odd" and that there were three signatures. This also speaks to an evidentiary aspect of the investigation. To install click the Add extension button. Been lurking here for a while but am curious to ask this question. Why doesn't this redditer just say what it is in summary? Kind of odd that hed include the detail that he didnt know who would have called in a tip about him. I mean proof is right in this story of what could happen. I grew up in the Midwest and Indiana is an awful, backward place. I thought well, maybe most women have nails like that and Ive just never noticed. He took and killed both girls, but he only wanted one of them The eyes on the tattoo are telling. It is, she said, a truly interesting case.. She made a brief return in 1975 in the Broadway production of TheConstantWife playing the sister of IngridBergman's character.[2]. How many ways can you say GUILTY. The meth revenge could also explain why the girls werent sexually assaulted. View popular celebrities life details, birth signs and real ages. I don't think the cops have a clue who this guy is. They need to take their time and make sure they get it right and have the evidence they need to convict. How do you think he killed them? A copy of Lawrence's death certificate showed the cause of death was "alcoholic liver disease". The disclosure ended speculation that Lawrence, whose body was found by her husband, Laurie Sautereau, at their home in Fulham, west London, on Saturday, had committed suicide. Why were they killed if not for sex? During the conference, Carter said police believe the killer has local ties and shockingly claimed that the killer could even be sat in the room with them. @R321-- I honestly didn't see another face tattoo because I was so horrified by that one. So, how much is Delphi Lawrence worth at the age of 70 years old? They were on another phone.". With video, audio etc, I was sure of this and thought the girl who kept her phone going was so smart. One thing Leigh Kerr said that makes sense - he was watching them through binoculars. This is one of the cases I try to follow pretty often, and when it happened I never thought we'd be this far along with no leads and no new information. It ties into Libby's dad informing on the Delphi meth heads in order to get a reduced sentence for stealing a big farm tank that was full of a chemical you need to make meth. I really hope that this is the killer so he will be caught and punished. What purpose would that serve if not to intentionally apply psychological pressure, via the destruction of his fantasy, which might lead to a slip-up? Our first cousin.. Have they consulted with the local oracle? R28 thats horrific. Maybe it's the female inside him and he wants to kill that. We don't have much information about She's past relationship and any previous engaged. I want to know more about what kind of DNA they have and if it could get the killer. However, in February, Leazenby told a local ABC affiliate that he feels like hes working on somewhat of a self-imposed deadline. Delphi murders: Read the redacted probable cause affidavit in Richard Allen's arrest The affidavit does not indicate how Libby and Abby were killed Feb. 13, How many podcasts and investigative TV miniseries has it generated with, basically, no new information or new investigative leads? They all looked like his girlfriend who dumped him. Oh thank you R226, R227! ENOUGH. He has killed before. This is why I question that persons credibility. She took a photo of the old guy with her cell phone because he was acting odd. "We've likely interviewed you or someone close to you.". My guess is there are inconsistencies between the 2 interviews and they're putting the heat on him to cough somebody up. Dont remember specs well enough . not sure these girls were even old enough to menstruate. They were also on the recording talking about him and not as though he knew him. In 1972, it was out of the ordinary in the county still largely rural and small town for a teenager like Delphi, a popular 16-year-old high school junior, to be the victim of a homicide. Nothing good ever came from the Knoxville Tn. To this day, he says between 6-8 people work on Libby and Abbys case each day throughout the week. The trial, in which the prosecution sought the death penalty against the then 19-year-old Garnett, lasted from Monday through Saturday night, and was featured on the front page of the Daily Local News each day. Theres a tin working on the case as well as FBI. I cant wait for this guy to get caught. At the time, crews thought the girls had simply gotten lost on the trails and were unable to find their way back. I check online every few months, hoping that sob has been caught. Indiana State Police previously said that autopsies were carried out on the two girls but officials declined to disclose a cause or time of death for either girl, and refused to confirm whether DNA evidence was recovered from the scene. (Unfortunately the interviewer did not ask him to say "guys down the hill"), FWIW He did have the most interesting thing to say, whether or not it is true is another thing. Law enforcement admits the attack was not recorded. Maybe thats because the assailant was there to carry out a revenge killing/warning to Derek German for snitching and couldnt or wasnt willing to rape one or both tweens, and so killed them and left the bodies posed in a provacative, profane way to hurt the families and community. may be making that part up, not sure) & bought for him by his father, ^ aargh sorry, tried to format that as a list but it didnt work & is a mess instead. It was the last time the girls were seen alive, and the recordings German collected on her phone including a chilling recording of the mans voice remains almost the only evidence ever released to the public in whats become known as the Delphi murders. Here you can see and hear the video of the suspect. Also, this trail has spotty cell tower reception. Hope we have answers soon. But during the one-year press conference marking the Delphi murders, state police said Daniel Nations was "not someone we care a whole lot about at this moment in time.". I agree R307, I think this is their man. Or, more likely, it was the cause of death that got them involved. R401-- Right? This case haunts me. [quote]Also.its such a small town. A family member dropped the girls off that afternoon with a plan to pick them up a few hours later. Delphi Lawrences income source is mostly from being a successful Actress. Durnell said that initially, Garnett told them he had nothing to do with Delphis death. I also tend to believe stuff released from family members, although I understand people may feel differently. Knives, guns, ect. That guy is like an every man, he could be anybody which is even scarier. "The sketch isnt a photograph. Maybe it's a cop and that's why they are being so reticent. And if so, why are they withholding the name? If you haven't listened to The Prosecutors Podcast's four-episode series on this, I highly recommend it. Also in the thread is a link to a compilation of his TikTok video posts and his voice sounds like the voice of the Bridge Guy. While the suspect remains at large, Kelsi said at the time that she was confident in law enforcement's ability to achieve justice for Liberty. A woman took photos and gave them to LE. I suspect he was there on a few occasions looking for the right moment and a victim. R219: Leigh Kerr appeared last night 3/2/2021 (either at LibbyandAbby or BuckRowdys new sub DelphiTodayIsTheDay) saying he had personal issues to attend to and would still respond. Later, the police reveal she also filmed the approach of their killer, as well as recorded him giving the chilling command, Guys.down the hill. There is more audio and video, but law enforcement has not released it. Every tip received is entered into an FBI system called Pyramid. That system stores information like names, descriptions and motives so it can be cross-referenced with other tips locally and across the country to find any possible connections. possible exit route of the killer(s)? Information sent by email is kept confidential and is only shared with investigators. He died on the electric chair. His wife Cantor Cathy Lawrence confirmed the news to The Hollywood Reporter but did not specify a cause of death at the time. The official search had barely resumed when one of the search teams made a gruesome discovery. Some people are suspecting his creepy dad and the pressure on him is to turn his dad in. I hasnt known about the tips on him but a week or so I was watching one of the briefings (this one appeared to be held in the woods) and he was standing behind Carter. I hope he is the one who did this. A sketch is a sketch and thats really important for everybody to understand," Carter said. Despite having a video, audio and two sketches from potential witnesses in the area, investigators have yet to find the man responsible for their murders. for your pointless bitchery needs. A fishing kit of some kind can be seen on his person, as well as a gun. The crimes are very similiar. No. Those amateur sleuths on Reddit are batshit crazy. She looked pretty and like she was asleep. Delphi Lawrences hobbies are Reading, photography, learning, traveling, internet surfing and to name a few. Ive read one girl appeared to have been killed quickly, almost as an afterthought, and the other seemed to have been the target of his rage. Look at his left ear in the photo and the left ear of the first sketch. R144, they documentary indicated that many were investigated and interviewed. Investigators worked up a composite sketch of the man in the photo. Someone in the comments did an overlay showing that it pretty much matches Libby's photo. Because I'm obsessed with this case, on the forums I read several people have had interactions with this profile and are turning info into the police. Also, the she was hit in the head and never felt it sounds like wish fulfillment. He does say, in the 2020 HLN podcast, that signatures are there. R446, the phone was factory reset 9 days after the murders. I have never heard of a case with so much secrecy in it. A man was walking toward them, wearing jeans, a hoodie, and a coat, with his hands in his pockets. When they now began to answer his inquiries, he learned another reason why they had been so close-lipped. I couldnt help but be drawn but the sheriffs face/expressions and it did occur to me that he resembled the Bridge Guy. It'd seem more sensible to me if it was an unusual cause of death, i.e. Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1926 and died on April 11, 2002. R57 I think theyre on a thread in the Libby and Abby Reddit sub. More info on reddit: The killer appears to be an avid outdoorsman. (R48) On reddit a women is claiming to have images of one little girl, deceased of course. Anybody here know anything about that? (example: cause of death: spinal fractures mode of death: falling of the bridge in a suspected suicide) 8 Reply Molleeryan 6 yr. ago That's the problem with the internet. R89- How long until the girls were found? Chadwell lives near Delphi and looks like the man captured by Libby German on Snapchat: Its also noted that on Chadwells Facebook page, he enjoys hiking and has many photos of other scenic bridges in the area. I have read on Reddit that the girls were nude or that one was and the other wasnt. Apparently an agent was home visiting family there when it happened and brought the FBI in. It really is a creepy coincidence, though. Her head was placed on a mantle, looking down at her body. Will slip up and give a detail only he knows. There is a new sketch of BG in which he looks much younger. The reward for information leading to the arrest of the Delphi killer is over $250,000. As reconstructed by the investigators, the Connecticut murderer identified the trail and discovered the obscure parking lot. People believe it [though] because its on the internet.. "After I started my forensics classes, I understood more of why we don't have all the answers," Kelsi said. You could also do it yourself at any point in time. While specifying a bullet was found at the scene, nowhere in the document does it suggest that either of the two girls was shot. My conclusion is still that these people were way too obese, way too short-legged, way too short, way too fat-faced, or way too skinny in 2017 to be BG - whether OBG sketch or YBG sketch. They also say they now believe that the second sketch is a more accurate depiction of the suspect, although the actual suspect may likely be a mix between both sketches. Hello. It would have saved the county the cost of a trial. Say, "Drag me". "I believe that the individual, when we catch him, it will be a combination of those two.. A. The only way we will resolve to gain justice for Abby and Libby, for their respective families and our caring community, is to remain dedicated to the preservation of said integrity. Who would remember that years later to the day? Leazenby later announced they were imposing a media blackout on possible suspects in the killings of Libby and Abby moving forward. Press J to jump to the feed. The context surrounding the images, which were stills from a moving video, has never been given. Per Leigh Kerr, the signatures included hair missing from both girls and their bodies posed in a relgious but also sexual way. Take a look at Does anyone else remember this?? The victim was found a few 100 yards from the lot. [quote] We don't like when people start threads with a daily mail link. But Leigh Kerr may also be a frustrated insider/outsider LE. Also, it looks as if he is carrying weapons, or a possible "kill kit". Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in London, United Kingdom. While police continue their search for the Delphi killer, people across the country have been coming up with their own theories about who is responsible. r288 that's chilling. If it was neck injuries then it's likely knife or wire, or both. I listened to it years ago and I just listened to it again. But, it still doesn't feel like he's the killer. (Sic?). I thought they got the guy - he is in jail currently but was free when those poor kids were done in. He looks like every average white guy between 25-50 who lives in the Midwest. These pictures from the Delphi murders featured the bridge and the surrounding countryside. These would later be some of the only clues the police had at their disposal, and the enigmatic, blurred Delphi murders video continues to haunt the internet. State police served a search warrant at a nearby property, but no arrests were made. Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in the neighbourhood of Hampstead, which is located in the city of London, England, UK. In that tread it said that the girls had spotted him earlier and he creeped them out. The audio isn't clear. The bridge is scary, and no way as an adult i would walk across it, but at 13 and 14 years old, i would have. Most people think that LE knows who killed them but didn't have enough evidence. They don't have a clue who the real killer is. One thing I believe is that he targeted only one of the girls. God, they have to catch this piece of human garbage! And I guess not knowing the cause of death and WHY he did this makes it even more disturbing. According to Kline, he exchanged messages with more than a dozen underage girls and received pictures from them. As far as I've heard. one committed with an uncommon/makeshift weapon. Looks like a socio. Its 65-70 feet off the river deck. My old and new rabbit holes were on the Beeks, Pat and Angel Br@wn and their little pickup, then Micah H, then pastor JDW. (Other sources say that the girls were handcuffed to each other). Thanks for clarifying, r301 - Obviously there's a lot of speculation and wild theories about this crime. But who knows what they are. It could be a stun gun? R474 They recently (1 mo ago?) Chadwell, of Lafayette, was investigated in connection to the crime shortly after his arrest. I don't think that the fat guy and his dad are the actual killer(s). "To have enough presence of mind to activate the video system on her cell phone to record what we believe is criminal behavior about to occur, there is no doubt in our mind that she is a hero.". Please complete the process by verifying your email address. site without all this bureaucratic nonsense, Then, there is the sound of a gun cocking and one of the girls screams, "Oh my God!". I believe the current theory is that it's actually Kline's father that is the prime suspect for the murders. And isn't that area known as a popular place to hike, and i think people took wedding photos, engagement pictures there. causes.". The car was abandoned near the crime scene. Delphi Lawrence (23 March 1932 11 April 2002) was an English actress. Too heartbreaking. This idea that they were lured there or they revealed on SM where they would be is very interesting. (WLS) -- There is a new All these years later, police still have not given many details about the cause of death to protect the case. I'm sure the Police know more. A. The police did say they had a good idea of who had committed the crime and were waiting for him to slip up as it was just a matter of time. The clip reveals a mans voice commanding someone down the hill. Authorities believe the photo and the voice belong to their only suspect in the Delphi murders. The guys whose photos were stolen is fug. This is close to an evidentiary information question and I prefer not to respond. I mean, look at the guy in the thread about the PA murder-suicide and that was just about snow dumping! He will kill again, probably in another state. R340, they do not doubt it's him, it's me- i just think it's too soon to say it's definitely him. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Delphi Lawrence died at the age of 70 years. People watch the news and think they are picking up on things, but its false. According to the mugshot linked at r275, the suspect is 5'8", not 5'0", r278 - r280. Crying into her potato salad over the stolen election. These were produced by information gained from witnesses near the area during time frame. And frankly, maybe he doesn't know since many anonymous pedophiles use it. I remember this being national news when it happened. Born to Barbara Yvonne (ne Enever) and Louis Holzman, who wed in 1930, she was of Hungarian ancestry on her father's side. I used to regularly take my family dog out for a walk in a wooded area near my house when I was a teen, it wasn't a popular area but every so often I'd cross paths with someone and even as a well built teenage guy with a german shepherd I felt vulnerable, so I can only imagine how those girls must have felt in their final moments. Same build, coloring, age of victims. She is currently single. license plate, year, make, model, color). Perhaps someone who have lived in the area as a kid/teen/young adult, moved away. R183, I agree. Would a law enforcement officer carry a gun that way? Gawthrop, who later became a Common Pleas and U.S. District judge and who died in 1999, called Whitaker to the stand to rebut Garnetts testimony, which he did, saying that he had not left home that night. Smith Moving Co., Durnell told the jury on the fist day of testimony, under the questioning of Assistant District Attorney Robert Gawthrop III. I never wanted children and dont even like them but this case really bothers me. There's a reason they want to move you to another area. Leigh is both a male and female name, so no, hes not posing as a woman. WebDelphi Cajetana Holzman: Occupation: actress: Age: 70 years old : Zodiac Sign: Aries : Born: 23 March 1932: Birthday: 23 March: Birthplace: Hampstead, London, England, UK: He does resemble Bridge Guy. Or would a VPN work to hide it? She claims the images are from a search chopper. It appears to be nothing but fantasy and speculation r398, nothing more. What is interesting is that evidently the Facebook poster used a dummy account posing as a woman to answer the questions and then slipped up and used his real account to answer one question. The walkway they crossed was pretty damaged and he must have had prior experience of walking it, as he crossed it pretty quickly. Girls or women who are pregnant with a baby that their boyfriend/husband/hookup doesn't want are targets for homicide. But Durnell found holes in the story, he said, and other officers come back having found ropes and blankets similar to those in which Delphi was found wrapped in at his home. He said he would take her home, Garnett testified. I couldn't read the replies to that post so maybe s/he did in later posts. As the sun went down and the temperature dropped, the search continued through midnight when it was officially suspended, although some family and friends did continue to search into the overnight hours. He decapitated one of his victims and posed get body so that it seemed as if she was looking at her body lying on the bed. I question the credibility because the "graphics editor" is wearing Lee press-on nails while pointing to something in those grainy pictures. The source also said the pose was sexual. The families sponsored a food drive for charity in the girls' names. I am guessing they were staged Pieta-like. Reminds me of this sick fuck. He may also be Robert Lindsey who had a blog but Word Press shut it down due to its sexual nature. I hope I'm just seeing things and nothing that horrific happened to the girls. They are withholding info for a reason. It is not him. There had to have been a sexual component, whether they were sexually assaulted or not. There are about 6 guys who internet sleuths have considered as suspects who look like the police sketch. I thought I had accidentally hit the wrong setting on my surround sound tuner because the music was blaring and I couldn't hear the people speaking. What was the other one? The man in the photo wears a navy blue jacket and a distinctive hat. The reason I ask is that the murderer may have been interrupted before he could sexually assault them? R199 Interesting take. Glad Im not on Facebook. I suspect the same thing R33, but it's not based on anything but a feeling. 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