"Some of my most precious ministry moments happened in those waiting rooms and hospitals," says Caine. 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Go take it to them personally. I think this is a site for pharisees. We say things like: God will use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, (1 Corinthians 1:27) and then when he does, we dont like it.My goal isnt to be a career Christian. She said its on ongoing process to stay emotionally strong. 10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. Moreover, the congregation must not behave in any way that might indicate endorsement of their false teaching. And Id much rather that than to shut up or wait for a man to tell me what to do. I have Matthew 18 to back me up. You said Ill call it straight to their face. My point is you HAVENT. You cant see the difference between calling someone out for false teaching or calling someone out for being a woman in charge. You think this would say some kind of socialized when it isnt. Paul didnt want Timothy merely to triumph over the false teachers. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Christine Caine | (Photo: ChristineCain.com). Go take it to them personally. Please show proof. 24 And the Lords bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will (2 Timothy 2:24-26). ), and it is my prayer they will be baptized this Easter. So if you are rooted and grounded in Jesus and anchored to Jesus, youre good. Wanting to be right? Many dont like that a woman has been brought to task for doing something she shouldnt be doing. They only care for themselves. Paul ratchets up the rhetoric when facing down serious error coming from Hymenaeus and Alexander: Some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Paul says: one thing I do: forgetting what is behind and straining towards what is ahead, I press on (Philippians 3:13-14). Oh, but in those same few years, I had attended plenty of Bible conferences and classes and had plenty to anonymously post about other people and their ministry on message boards! A response to this is appreciated. You know the degree to which you're willing to embrace the pain of recovery is the degree to which your knee will heal. I have a question Have you read Mark Battersons book The Circle Maker? I will NOT throw out that message.. I thank God for all of the women who followed the call of God and took up their crosses, facing so much opposition in the process. I went through such a personal journey the last two years where I discovered new areas God wanted to heal in me. Kenyon (18671948) is usually given credit as the originator of Word of Faith teaching. My friend you speak from emotion not wisdom, before you say one more thing, take out your bible, and compare what these women say to what scripture says, youll find their message is not anywhere in there. Paul wrote letters DIRECTLY to those who were out of linehe didnt write to everyone else BUT them. You have yet to back up with scripture how what you are doing is the appropriate way of handling false teachers, by Denny Burk on April 8, 2014 in Christianity, Theology/Bible. . And every single one of us is qualified to do just that. Colombes. Why arent you obeying Matthew 18 and seeking ways to reach out to these people yourself? Faith? Your absolutism leaves people out or puts them in little pigeonholes that fit with your rigid logic of scripture. Emma is a trustee for Christian festival Creation Fest and lives in Cornwall with her husband and two teenage daughters. Hebrews 12:27 says: Only those things that can be shaken will be shaken so that those things that cannot be shaken shall remain. Were about to go back out into the real world again and what is the only thing that wasnt shaken? Be kind and good. A word of advice to those erroneously holding unto these beliefs, read your Bibles, put down your favorite idol for a second and read what Jesus said about: False teachers, false brethren, faulty theology, and the biggest of them all the coming judgement on these purveyors of lies and on the whole world itself. External Communication Officer. I think the Lord has given us this invitation. This latter text is significant because of the parallel to 1 Corinthians 5. We asked him about this seemingly unique warning about Covid-19, and how he feels about being labelled both charismatic and progressive, The Bible teacher and founder of Living Proof Ministries speaks candidly about her knotted-up life, From living in open community with drug addicts to raising his family in a Cambodian slum, Craig Greenfield has spent decades living in some of the poorest places on earth. I can assure you, you wont. In other words, false teachers become subject to the churchs discipline. You will have to stand before God in all things that you have said including the ways you are talking about Gods people here. This year, people have had to cope with things they never thought theyd have to cope with. Contact Us. You go all the way back to the Garden of Eden and the very first recorded conversation, right there between God and man, is God asking where are you and Adam saying I was naked and ashamed so I hid. 12:18). Sorry Michael, the Catholic faith bows down to Mary, the mother, youll hardly ever talk about JESUS, mary didnt hang on the cross 4 us, JESUS did, n when u speak of women shouldnt lead in churches, I believe thats in the old testament, not the Gospels, rock on Christine caine. In numerous instances, the Bible commends believers to ostracize those who will not repent of their false teaching. Updated February 2023. Spiritual Formation I went from feeling as a nobody (given I am a single woman who lives in a different state from my father and brotherswe know what the traditional church thinks of women like me) to understanding that Christ saved me for a reason. For a good laugh I guess. You will find multiple examples of Christine Caine teaching this way in the Additional Resources section at the end of this article. God is beyond amazing, yet Meyer and Caine trample His commandments. 2023 Hope Media Ltd ABN 94 284 074 898. Using the bible as a standard? We report on news and give our opinion on topics such as church, family, sexuality, discipleship, pop culture, and more! But employ the wrong application. Or when Ive pointed something on their website that was completely false, the usual response? If you know and read your bible that is quite obvious. I was full of shame, guilt, anger, unforgiveness and bitterness. Besides usurping the pastor role, her teachings are not biblical. Apr 13, 2013 - Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. In doing so, you are also females teaching the word. And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. I have not met Ms Caine in person to have a conversation with her, so I will not breach scripture and start publicly questioning her faith or berating her ministry without giving her a chance to answer any questions and concerns I may have. But battles never come at convenient times, do they? .But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate (Revelation 2:2, 6). Believers are to have nothing to do with anyone who claims authority as a teacher but who is not sound concerning the doctrine of Christ. You come across as just wanting to be right. Youre not speaking as a Christian should. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. All poster children of false teachers! 1:19-20). Seems to me that a dozen apostles brought the message to millions. 40.2K followers. Read out White Paper on the Word of Faith Movement, Christine Caine, Complementarianism, Elizabeth Prata, Heresy, Hillsong Church, Joyce Meyer, New Age Movement, Occult, Sin, spirituality, Word of Faith. Outside of having a Bible on my desk, I hadnt done much more than ask for certain evenings off to go to midweek church services. loads of accusations with no documentation.. But I will stand by comments regarding Caine, Meyer and all those that are still playing on peoples emotions while passing off a diluted version of scripture, once again if Ive offended anyone it was not intentional. (Marin) I know Im glad Manny and Amy dont have a heaven or hell to put people in, because it sounds like theyd throw Lydia and Priscilla in. Please tell how the conversation went. Hagins principal disciple was Kenneth Copeland who, with his wife, Gloria, is the unofficial leader of the Word of Faith movement. As we came closer to the time of Christ, mankind in its rebellious teenage years, we had the lessons of the prophets. You seem to be very confident that your approach is Biblical, and in the end, that is what really matters. In the six references where both are mentioned, the name of Priscilla comes first in three instances, and Aquila first in the other three. I do not talk about ministries I have not had any sort of direct contact with. Create Yours. He answered our prayers. Christine heads the organisation A21, rescuing young women from sexual slavery and abuse, and helping them to build a new sense of their value and worth. Such a person is not to be given religious recognition of any kind, because to do so would mean that the believers would then share in his evil deeds. Rather than writing about her on message boards, I encourage you to follow Matthew 18 and attempt to reach her directly (her website, her social media accounts, her ministry, her appearancesincluding one in Chicago this week). When you question someones salvation, you are questioning their citizenship in heaven. What is your heart full of? You obviously have no clue what it is you are talking about and have never heard any of these people speak. In terms of my own faith journey, growing up I attended a lot of two-hour services with liturgy in ancient Greek. It is difficult not to be inspired by her passion for Jesus and her unwavering belief that God is still in the business of doing what the Bible says hes always done. When I really got established in the Word at Hillsong Church, it was awesome, but it has cost me everything. The key issue is how we respond to correction. How do you know that? What lessons have you learned about partnering well in marriage and ministry? Its sad and disappointing that this site calls for us to throw the baby out with the bathwater and ignore Christines call for us to keep winning souls for Christ. I pray those with ears to hear will find their way out. 30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. If any human being, or even an angel from heaven, preaches another gospel (another of a different kind), Paul prays that he should be accursed. I and pray that evil will not flourish. I understand a loving nudge in the right direction from a truly loving soul whos purpose in life is to point people towards heaven. It is not for me to judge you but maybe you should learn to shut your mouth. Christine's desperate search for her roots turned up a birth certificate. I am sorry to say you seem like really unhappy, envious people who just seek to divide and bring fear, manipulate and imtimidate. I didn't start 25 years ago with a global ministry. Thats not in scripture. Toll Free: 1-877-247-2426. Why dont you pick up scripture and compare what she says to what the word of God says? 12 How think ye? THIS is why the church has a tough time bringing in the lost. Would anyone who claims to be a Christ follower choose to wear a pentagram? Warn them, lovingly. Whether youre listening to her speak or reading one of her many books, Caines hard-won wisdom flows freely. My friend Alan Hirsch says: We have to read Jesus meaning just come back to that central place. Mans heart is deceitful, and beyond cure..Jeremiah 17:9. In 2016, Christian author Carey Scott was the victim of plagiarism by a major celebrityinternational speaker and evangelist Christine Caine. So bnos na minha vida e de milhares!!! Do I cruise into the second half of life? They took half of my thyroid; I won't need any more medication, and there is now no trace of cancer in my body. Being that Christine Caine is a product of Hillsong, look up a must-watch video from Brian Moonan called HELLSONG. (Marin)Did you know that Lydia and Priscilla are both listed BEFORE their husbands in the book of Acts because the writing style of the day indicated listing the LEADER of the household FIRST?. I guess you guys would be the first to throw the first stone. We must refute and point to the truth! What about Ruth? 21Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Think of it as Christ did when he fed the five thousand. To fail to do this is ministerial malpractice and harmful to Gods people. It was 9 a.m. in Australia, and my doctor in the U.S. had called to give me the results of the thyroid biopsy I . Anyway be blessed ! My birth certificate doesnt have a name on it. . 2:24-25). #Disappointment #Moving #Mean "God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. Im very confident that if we apply those principles on an ongoing daily basis we can walk in victory. Wow. I know there is a BIBLICAL way of calling someone out for false teaching, and anonymously posting on a site behind their backs is NOT IT. When the bestselling author, internationally acclaimed speaker and leader of multiple international organisations appears on our morning Zoom call, she is straight off the treadmill, laughing and apologising for her appearance in a sorry-not-sorry way that epitomises her no-nonsense attitude. Sad that some Christians are so narrominded and judgemental.. .thats the reason people turn away from Jesus. Somehow I doubt theres much of that going on. 4So they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.. Wow. Blessings. I thank God for all of the women who followed the call of God and took up their crosses, facing so much opposition in the process. In person, Caine is funny, loud and unapologetic. Again, Peter did not continue in the Judaizing error but was corrected. I live like a radical because I think we all should. But just as you assume others come on here just to defend their favorite teachers, I ask what do you come on here to do? People like you? Please be specific. And in the same way, if our body is broken before we pray the sinner's prayer, it's still broken the minute after we pray it. Christine Caineusurps male authority and rebels against the clear word of the Bible The shame and guilt of childhood sexual abuse hasnt stopped Christine Caine from sharing the love of Jesus with people across the world. Then mankind graduated from a belief based on laws, as we all did growing up under the laws and rules of our parents, and came to live in a belief based on faith. Before she knew it, she was struggling. The authors name is listed at the top if you want to be able to properly address your concerns. Then youre not what youre commanded to do, to discern truth from error, the WORD OF GOD divides to the marrow, Paul said the Terrans were a noble people, because they cared to compared what he taught against scripture. The best of Christine Caine Quotes, as voted by Quotefancy readers. Her mother's name was listed as "Panagiota." Her father's name was listed as "Unknown" - one word with seven letters numbed her. She will equip and empower you to create change in this world and live out your God given destiny! Keep in scriptures, you might find better things to do than this. LOL! Best-selling Christian author Christine Caine is calling on all Christians to get real and be authentic in their relationships in her new book. I have not said an iota about them, because I have not had any sort of personal interaction with them. While Caine and others have been proven by some, to someones level of satisfaction, to be wolves, ( I personally dont care, and the reasons wil be explained below ) I find the idea you have put God in a box to be the hardest partt to swallow. Continue reading. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple., The word mark is from (skopeo) which means to look at, behold, watch, contemplate; which is used metaphorically of looking to. It is used (Romans 16:17) of a warning against those who cause divisions, and in (Philippians 3:17) of observing those who walk uprightly that Christians might choose to walk after the example of the apostle and his fellow workers. Referencing Hebrews 6 she tells me, It doesnt matter if youre a global evangelist or somebody that nobody knows. Also, I realize this argument is contentious among divided denominations who believe preaching and teaching are mens roles only in the church. I follow many of these people and you know what, I leave what doesnt line up with God to God to deal with. [1] [2] gelist, Speaker, [4] [5] 2 Proponent of Word . http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/, Wow all I have to say is thank God he will be judging me & not you people All I see you doing here is turning people away from God spewing such hate, who are you to judge? Hebrews 2:1 says: We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. Many have been drifting for decades. What name have I called whom? Thank you, Amy, for cleaning this up. Yes, I do know you to say such a thing. If you cant see how presumptuous that is, well Youre assuming without knowing me, how do you know i would throw anyone in hell? As Priscilla is always paired with her husband, Aquila, it is difficult to separate her and place her on a pedestal of her own. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. Christians publicly label entire groups of people, make assumptions about political affiliations, and vilify entire groups rather than seeking to lovingly understand and correct. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning up that mess. Hope youll give us another try and check out some other articles. I thought making disciples was a command of Christwhy is it bad I was called to do that? The smile on Christine Caine's face is as striking as the shock she felt when she uncovered the secret her parents kept from her. Their end will correspond to their actions., How is what you are doing here promoting the gospel of truth? Having worked with A21, which is a top flight global organization fighting human trafficking, and seeing that the common thread in this and other articles criticizing Caine was the fact that she dares to preach to menwhile ignoring the prophetesses and judges in the Bible that God choseI was inclined to support her. God speaks to male and femalehe does not discriminate. One taps you on the shoulder when youre doing something wrong, the other tells you that you are, inherently, wrong. I know there is a BIBLICAL way of calling someone out for false teaching, and anonymously posting on a site behind their backs is NOT IT. Thank you. I read the title and I thought WHAT! The Lord had to show me, through his word, that by marrying Nick we would have a ten-fold impact. To enjoy our website, you'll need to enable JavaScript in your web browser. I encourage you to respect that just as you throw away everything that comes out of the mouths of Caine, Meyer, et al, please respect those who are able to throw away what they disagree with while also taking in what they find to be Biblical. The scripture tells us that we ought to have in mind the best interests of both the flock and the false teachers. One day all the walls that man created with denominations will fall and we will stand before our King and will most likely realize that none of us had it all rightas much as some of us might like to think. Christine and Nick Caine join Matt and Laurie Crouch on TBN's Praise to discuss Christine's testimony of adoption and being born in shame. 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Pharisees warned of Jesus too. When the bestselling author, internationally acclaimed speaker and leader of multiple international organisations appears on our morning Zoom call, she is straight off the treadmill, laughing and apologising for her appearance in a sorry-not-sorry way that epitomises her no-nonsense attitude. God is relational but He is also Almighty God, Yahweh and there are no other gods before Him. Just saying. Christine shares how she struggled with what happened to her and how her faith helped her overcome the shame and worthlessness she felt for so many years. At the time, she was set to take part in speaking engagements, go on a worship tour with Kari Job and release her new book, Unstoppable. I hope your eyes will be opened to see the crass apostasy infecting church. GD is calling out His bride from dead Churchianity. Ukrainian People Living in Hope Despite Worsening Crisis, Chaplains Helping with Flood Disaster Recovery, How I Survived My Small Business Being Smashed By Floods and Pandemic, Living and Dying For Your Faith This Easter, Whats Important in My Life? Evangelist Christine Caines 60-Second Testimony. I dont recall anyone telling you to shut up and do as Im told, you my friend have a chip on your shoulder, and are having a hard time distinguishing between false gospel, womens rights, and your perceive notion of what is biblical and what isnt. 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