With respect to the brownies, I have reached out to the bear guides, residents and hunters for their wisdom and experience on the matter, to find out exactly which sidearms they favor and why. Great article, even better advise-44 mag super redhawk will be on my side when the opportunity comes my way. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. I would recomend holding off until the bear is so close that he would be hard to miss and then not shooting any higher than nostril level. Killed a mountain Grizzly but did not get my polar bear. Its light and easy to carry.. There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. That long pipe makes for a heavier gun, but Im OK with that because the additional sighting distance and small velocity gain are both appreciated. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is all interesting to a curious 75 yo ..better for me to stay out of bear country. The second shot went CLICK. Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? I wouldnt recommend anything less than .44 mag or equivalent. The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. The 454 would probably be better and I did have a 500 S&W in 4 inch but as heavy as it was I figured it was easier to carry a 12 ga pump on a sling and let someone carry out the meat while I protected them. The people who shot the cougar had no way of knowing that the cougar had rabies when they shot it. Yes! An interesting side note is that after a bear has been skinned and hung up, if you come upon the scene unexpectedly you would think that you are looking at a dead man. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. It is the gun I used in the American Hunter Challenge Video where I make five hits at seven yards in under three seconds. At the same time, we're trying to be as supportive and helpful to property owners as possible.". The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. It can push a 400-grain bullet to more than 1,500 fps, but I cant control it. If so, what is the problem? Even for dispatching When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. BTW seems like shooting an elk here is like ringing a dinner bell for the grizzlies. According to CPW, Colorado is home to between 3,000 and 7,000 mountain lions. Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. What to do? heat treated WFN LBT now for these situations. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. 4 barrel, all stainless steel, adjustable sights and under 1.5 pounds. Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. Two young men from SoCal (where else?) The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. Phil has over three decades of experience guiding hunters and fishermen, and understands their habits as well as anyone else alive. LAR Grizzly 45 Win Mag. My first handgun was just that at age 18, and now I tote a Blackhawk Hunter in .45, loaded with 325 gr HC with GC and 22 grains of H-110 (Ruger Blackhawk or Thompson Contender ONLY!!!) Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. Im still alive without a scratch. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. I carried a 454 casull in Alaska heavy l now carry a glock 20 10mm 15 rounds even if I dont stop the bear shooting all the way to the end just makes me fell better. so dont tell me or others you rough it in the Alaskan wilderness because thats bullshit. white-tailed deer We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. A moose attacked me on my property when I first moved here, but it was because I was trying to get close enough for a good picture really DUMB! That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. I saw a beautiful Blond one in Glacier Natl Park a couple of years ago. Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged I shoot a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4 in ss I love it. Id have gladly traded it for a snub-nose .38 Special. Holy shit! Just my thoughts!! He said while the animal tried to bite Pauls head, it didnt actually do it, only slightly clawing the boys back. 39% were found to . After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. Anyhow, nice article and just consider the glock 10 mm if you are comfortable with a semi-auto tyoe pistol. Most sheep hunts have included bear encounters. Hard cast/ full metal jacket is important in smaller calibers to at least give you penetration. Chances are youll only get to use one? 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. And I do practice dry fire and shoot whatever is the cheapest ammo I can find around time. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. Get as informed as you can, and make the best choice you can. I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. tell me want have you really killed lately. I also have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt and I carry my hand loaded 300 gr hard cast bullets. The next stage of the disease results in paralysis. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. sounds like you have too many guns and cant decide on which one to take. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . So the point is simple; a wonderful collection of pistols at home wont do you any good, youll have to make do with what you have, Like the Boy Scout motto says, Be Prepared. Mountain Lion Attack Stopped by Man with Handgun in 2010, Teenager Sexually Assaults Friends Mom, Gets Rejected at Gunpoint, TTAG Daily Digest: Actually Shooting Someone, Ratings Kryptonite and the NRA in the Time of Trump. At least .40 caliber, 300 grains and 1,000 fps. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. Ill take the capacity of an auto loader in 45 Super, 10mm or Rowland any day. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. Once you get over 300gr. I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. The key is putting the projectile in the right spot. It is not that you have to out run the bear, you just have to out run the slowest member of your party. I mixed opinions about this article. I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. 50 round box should last a lifetime. What can a .38 special kill? I live in Alaska and Ive turned a Glock 21 into a 460 Rowland. Teardrop-shaped toes. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, The 12 ga. Its not the bear in the fight, its the fight in the bear. 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. They respond pretty well to people calibers without the need to go full-on hand cannon. Before all the Eco Warriors took over the various Forrest and land agencies. There are no stopping calibers; only stopping shots. Not trying to be cute, but when you slaughter a hog, you shoot them in the head. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. Hornady, For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! I was very intrigued by their weapons selection. Thousands of empty Ancient Churches that have been converted into libraries and or apartment buildings are testament to that. P-38 was a male mountain lion born in 2012 and first collared in 2015, the statement said. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? Your bear protection gun is never going to be your regular carry gun, no long afternoons firing box after box it is a single purpose tool. It can be very difficult to bring down a rabid animal. The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. Im more concerned with the organized gang activity here in Denver than all of the wild animal encounters in the universe. Carrying a 9mm, 10mm, 45 acp, etc. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. Cork Grahams rig. Fortunately I was about 80 yds. Which one are you going to use first? Although, for me, the closest I want to get to a rattler is a 44 mag snake load, preferably my Judge in .410 7 shot. You would have had until between the 8 and the 6 to be unloading a gun into it , and still possibly wind up injured ! A .38 snubby? The bear was hurt so it couldnt run thank God abd CVA. Its a gun I have confidence in when Derek Wolfe told Tucker Carlson he plans to eat the mountain lion he hunted. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. Self-Defense, Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. I hope that you had a good camera and a long lens to shoot it. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. The Inuit hunters would wait at a breathing hole in the ice. A friend who guided in Alaska and the northwest, that experienced a number of charges over the years, told me that at 300 yds, a well placed 06 round would do the job, at 200 yds a 300 Win. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. Its often with me in bear country and has made several trips to Alaska. His wife left Houston shortly after he passed. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of Lets stop trying to impress each other with useless specifications and gobbly-gooky BS. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. Think youre gonna penetrate his skull with your pea shooter? Its lack of weight had me cringing at first, expecting some wrist-wrenching recoil, but I was pleasantly surprised with the manageability of the K6s. Merrill, Oregon (Klamath County). Ruger, Mountain lion attacks on humans, however, are rare in Colorado, with Colorado Parks and Wildlife counting fewer than 20 over the past 30 years. Scientific Evidence regarding bear spray?.. No, they dont. That is your choice. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. While out horseback riding, I cant tell you how many rattlers Ive killed rattlers with my 9mm. Seriously funny ! In ordinary life, people are much more likely to be attacked by another person, than by a mountain lion. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . Of course the welfare of humans (the public) must always come last. On a personal note I dont like A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. There were teams of men racing across Alaska. Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? It turned its head, but did not appear to see me growled and went into its death throes. Your wife and kids will thank you. However, if you're going to deploy bear spray against a mountain lion, then you need to make sure of a few things. First you start off by saying a Judge or Governor is not what you want for bear country, then end by saying you carry a Redhawk in .45 Colt for bear. People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. May 23, 2022 / by / in . Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. So, perhaps .45 colt is NOT the best choice for a bear. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. Its got the velocity, but wonder if it would have the penetration? Despite the firepower, these guys all tried to avoid brown bear encounters. The Marine carried an AR15/M4 .223 REM/5.56MM. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. Id take the 9mm any day if it was my only 2 choices, loaded with 147 flat nose +P+ from Underwood Ammo. You should just mount a 50 cal. If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. I carry my Glock G20 SF 10mm when I walk our dogs. Let us know via nature@newsweek.com. Published on February 15, 2019 02:47 PM. your comments hold great weight with me!! I have concerns with shooting the higher pressure .45 LC rounds, like the Buffalo Bore 325 grain load. Its the sick, injured, old one that will risk human contact. This calls for a heavy crimp (I use a Redding profile crimp die and seat and crimp in two seperate operations useing H-11O or Win. coyotes I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. Unless you are an expert hand-gunner with tons of real world experience.. carry a rifle and have the pistol as backup. Then it rolled over and started walking. pistol. No thanks. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. fresh kill 1994 watch online. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. You dont need a laboratory test to confirm that it was behaving strangely. 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. A bear spray story- Mountain lions weigh up to 198lbs, reach 30 mph at top speed, and only bite with a force of about 400 PSI. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. On average, a mountain lion killed one deer a week. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. Since Proposition . Cue the whining about how much of a shame it is to kill such a majestic animal. Carrying a .38 snubbie in bear country is roughly akin to wearing a sandwich board that reads FREE LUNCH! They did better than most 9mm and only slightly less than a 357. The cougar was probably at the end of the rage stage, where attacks on almost anything are common. I own a 45 Colt Ruger Bisley with a 5 1/2 inch barrel ,among other larger caliber handguns , and it is far and away my favorite for handgun hunting or a defensive woods gun. Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. I know there are some folks out there that carry handguns in the bush, but in a dozen years I didnt meet many, either agency folks or sportsmen. The 7 -inch barrel makes for a bit more cumbersome handgun, but the author feels the accuracy is well worth it. He killed the first recorded Texas alligator attack on a man on land EVER! Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. Great article. The SW 460 mag xvr is the best choice in my opinion. Who knows? 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. This may not have been a great time for firearm but it begs the questions: (1) What's a good caliber to stop a cat at 3 - 20 yds, and (2) what kind of round (solid, hollow point)? Ill stick I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. Hard cast is king. For what its worth, bear spray is likely to get you killed in my humble opinion. My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. Oct. 14, 2020 6:15 PM PT. Usually blacktail deer. in he he stated that no matter how big of a rifle one has in their hands, when facing something that is fully willing and capable of stomping you into a frothy little puddle of blood and hair, no matter what youve got, its still going to feel like a willow switch. The animal slain by the man charged on Tuesday was a mountain lion known to wildlife biologists as P-38, a male about 7 years old believed to have sired four litters of cubs, said Karen Wold . It will drive a 300-grain bullet to over 1,600 fps. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. I would take a 357 Magnum with hard cast bullets over a standard 45 Colt round. reviews, Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . My wife carries an old Model 60. Thanx! Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . Also the .454 C uses a rifle primer to handle the high pressure generated whereas the 45 Colt uses a pistol primer. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. Now thats an appropriate comment. A sidearm is a very smart idea. The BS in this article is deep. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in The video shows the mountain lion sneaking up around a corner behind an unsuspecting deer and rapidly tackling it to the ground, before dragging it off by its neck. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. A black bear sow protecting a cub from your invasion of their space will have her way with you till she decides shes done. Any suggestion that a 9mm or 357 magnum is any gun better than none in brown bear country is ridiculous. The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. I agree, whatever you have at the moment, is the best choice. Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. Also, my pre-1982 I rather be over gun then under gun. This I know from personal experience! For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot My first choice is a Springfield XD 5 inch in 460 Rowland. However, I can get 2 aimed shots with my hot 10mm for every one with any big bore revolver Ive ever shot. Into a wheel gun ! While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. Leave bear territory, do a quick mag switch and your back to the right rounds for CCW. Radically Invasive Projectile G2 ammo works! Related Tags: Colorado Springs, Colo. The craggy mesas and sagebrush valleys of the West have a wild horse problem. If I gotta shoot something that wants to eat me ! Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. All good options. The early anthropologists visiting Alaska, brought back numerous polar bear skulls with a 22 rimfire hole in the top. I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. And, take the time and professional training to get to know how it feels to defend yourself in a close-combat type of scenario. Good stuff. All shots were heart lung.The racoon dispatched with a .45 was knocked about 4 inches sideways, crawled about a foot and died, the racoons shot with the 9 mm flinched and continued staggering towards a brushy ditch and escape, I placed a shot between the shoulder blades as I had gotten behind it and advanced from the high bank of the ditch. of course be loaded and kept down loaded with .38 Special ammo (modern). An attack by a pack of feral dogs is not anything like an encounter with a single individual or a shooting competition. Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. on this subject is this: self defense/house protection/concealed carry is only half I asked if he was afraid of the Bears. Wolves are more of a threat. So if its a two shot scenario with a revolver, I can place 4 AIMED shots with my 10mm in the same amount of time. The 30-50 yd accuracy is simple.AMAZING SHOT PLACEMENT WITH POWER. May 24, 2022 Alexis. . Absolutely. Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. 300 grains is on the low end for 50ae. load of No. Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. Not to be the asshole of the crowd, but a Grizzly is an Ursus arctos horribilis as opposed to just the Ursus arctos, or Brown Bear. I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife has granted a number of these in the last week, The Los Angeles Times reported. Carry to fit your states wild life? Hunters must contact a CPW office within 48 hours of a lion . 07-11-2013, 08:10 AM. Dogs and coyotes have one indent at the bottom of their pads. Sometimes I carry a .44 Magnum with 300-grain cast bullets, but never anything smaller for bear protection. Having to cock it every time I shoot. There are too many variables involved to deliberatly under gun yourself on a planned trip in bear country. Further.. having been in life threatening situations .. having a myriad of tools to choose from.. Is just not always a benefit. A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. You have entered an incorrect email address! Hardly know its even there. A 45 Long Colt? In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. The +P shoots a bit higher than the standard 44mag rounds. Hopefully, this link will work. I carry my Ruger SP101 357 on me always, and when camping, I have my 45-70 close by. 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